a long article that could be summarized by the picture of an ostrich with its head in the sand.
They just raided a former President's house. (unarmed) J6 protesters are still in jail, FBI is treating parents at school board meetings as domestic terrorists. Crime against whites are increasing and lawfare against whites that defend themselves are increasing.
The civil war will be govt vs white middle class, aka: The Historic American Nation. Immigrants and assorted "protected minorities" will side with govt.
You said: "The present-day GDP per capita of the United States is $65,000. Now that we are twice as rich as we were in the seventies, what form will civil unrest take?"
I say: This is deceptive reasoning. The rate of inflation eats away at savings and rising costs (due to running the dollar printing presses 24x7) makes $65,000 worth much less than it sounds. This entire article has not addressed the extreme hollowing out of the American economy. We have a government that allowed and encouraged companies to offshore putting Americans out of work. The cry to raise the minimum wage is there because there are very few opportunities outside of service jobs. Look at the homelessness stats in this country. Finally we had TARP and COVID bailouts to the wealthy few and peanuts to the rest of us. The huge infusion of money into the system to prevent banks from failing (they are too big to fail) and no one goes to jail for fraud. So many signs of corruption and economic decay around us and yet this article does not seem to place its importance.
The Real McCoy wrote this article in the end of August 2021. Look how much has changed since then. With inflation, federal government lawlessness, a recession and many other events (war in Ukraine, rumors of war in Taiwan to name a few). At the end of August 2021 the US had just surrendered in Afganistan, peanuts to where we are as a nation in August 2022. We could refer to 2021 as the 'good old days.'
What happens when there are real food shortages or hyper-inflation? Both which are soon coming. While this is a good article, and correct as long as people can eat and play video games or tik-tok or watch their favorite zombie show. Things will be much different if there is no food or electricity.
You discuss American, French, Irish and Bolshevik revolutions but almost ignore the most important analogy by far: US Civil War (when food was plentiful). The so-called "Second Civil War" can even be looked at as simply "Round 2". Of course there are major differences. It's not The South anymore but roughly The Middle: flyover country. The racial situation has radically changed. But the two adversaries are still essentially "State's Rights, democracy, life, honesty and honor" vs. "Federal regime, tyranny, death, lies and money".
The problem with your article is that is assumes America will remain a "First World" nation. I do not believe that to be the case in the next 10 years. Once more people are hungry and poor, the time will be ripe for a revolution.
The problem with your argument - as I see it - is that it only takes a couple of hotheads on either side to start things. Then the sheep in the middle are forced to pick sides - or stay out of it while the hot heads have their war.
I bet you were also going around a few years ago scoffing at a Trump presidency. The first revolution here was a handful (few dozen) colonists who were pissed at being overly governed, and having their weapons taken. They went up against the best the British could muster, and still won. Now we have a situation where:
About half the population feels disenfranchised, ignored, and belittled. They just watched a president they strongly supported lose an election under questionable circumstances. I'm 62 years old, and I've never see an election as third world as that was. Since then they've learned that this so-called Russian collusion was nothing but enemy opposition research that a corrupt FBI ran with. In fact, just about everything Trump said has been found to be true. And people know this. Spend some time on social media outside your bubble. The search of the Trump home better bring forth a gun so smoking hot it's still glowing, otherwise all that did was galvanize his supporters even further, and ADD to the number of people who believe he's the only way out of this.
So now we have at least half, probably more now that we're in a recession, of the population who is fed up, and they know it. And guess what?
That half the population controls:
Virtually all of the land mass that feeds people
At least 80 percent of the firearms in private hands.
They also
Are the ones who do the actual work that keeps this country running. And by and large are ALSO the ones who comprise much of the US military and virtually every rural law enforcement agence in this country.
See, Jan 6 was not an insurrection. Nobody showed up armed, nobody tried to "take over" anything. They were idiots led down a garden path who did something incredibly stupid. Yet the left insists on calling it that. Rest assured, it wasn't. I know these people, I grew up with them. I don't align with a lot of their beliefs, but some of what they believe is true, and they believe all of it. Right now they're hoping that the ballot box will provide the critical reset that we need in order to "fix this mess".
If that doesn't happen, I suspect a lot of folks who this country depends on may decide it's time to take a month off. That's all it would take. And most of them could definitely take that month off. They have enough food put back, and enough resources to do it.
Machiavelli highlighted two things that could move a people to revolt: memories of once being free (this is why the Greek cities resisted the Romans, resulting in the Romans destroying many former city-states) and a violation of men's honor (namely, molesting their women).
I see the sense in a lot of what the writer wrote, but Machiavelli is a legend for a reason.
One possible scenario that could invalidate your article. Over 2 million illegals have been allowed to enter the country since January '20. Many would be terrorists were apprehended before entry into our country. The number of terrorists who entered and are now entrenched in this country is possibly in the thousands. Will only take one catalyst with a major city being destroyed to disprove the principle thesis of your article.
It doesn't take that big of a percentage of the population to wage a civil war/revolution. I'm sure you've heard that only 3% of colonists fought in the American Revolution. Roughly 1/3 of the population supported them, 1/3 were loyal to the crown, and 1/3 were neutral. Nor were these people poor or starving as a rule (by the standards of the time).
3% of the population today is about 10 million people. They could raise quite a ruckus if they wanted to.
But I think you're right about pretty much everything else. The population that I just witnessed mask up and lock down the moment they were ordered to doesn't look especially rebellious to me.
Good observation re: civil wars are fought online now. I've thought of that one before. It consumes our energy that might otherwise be expended in the real world. Kind of like I'm doing right this second.
Either there will be some kind of economic collapse that will create conditions more ripe for revolt, or there won't be. I have my doubts the country would hold together through another Great Depression as severe as the last one.
Generally I agree and have said same online, in fact mocking the lock-and-loaders mercilessly.
It’s this paragraph where we diverge…
“Ergo, I do not believe that the current political fault lines of the USA will ever be resolved, through either violence because it’s unlikely, or through the political process, since neither side is going away anytime soon. Even as far into the future as 2100, political factions resembling today’s Republicans and Democrats could be yelling about very similar culture war issues.”
Absolutes are always (unironically) risky to claim.
So many factors could change the state of affairs very quickly.
One example is the massive influx of immigrants, both legal (which I generally support) and illegal (um, no I don’t have New School delusions of the endless charity open borders).
Immigrants are young. They have the power to change things—or to be used to particular ends—for net good or ill. TBD.
Assuming stasis in our quality of living greatly ignores the current accelerating brakeless economic decline we are in right now. And further ignores the cartoonish villains wielding power to effect it, rather blatantly.
The variables are myriad, including trends that occur among more geographically centered culture-sharing groups, such as red staters beginning to have more and more children, despite their financial situation. Conversely, blue staters tend toward population decline, unless supplemented by immigrants who tend toward larger families.
Choices in a post-Covid world, changes in spite of it, are giving people more options and agency that the government is working tirelessly to remove. Eventually that won’t be tolerated forever.
The military and our foreign policy are both rapidly transforming into something irrational and unrecognizable as having protection of the nation as top priority. The types of changes that come with that, foreign and domestic, more than induce harrumphing at over a pint at the VFW I would guess.
And then there’s the CCP. Rather a wild card. But seriously worth researching in terms of how deep and wide their inroads are in our country—along with 250 others—despite their woes at home. Where their influence becomes a true and obvious threat to our sovereignty, no amount of Instagram will soothe is all I’m saying.
Too long I know, but your article got me a thinkin’…so consider this otherwise TLDR reply a compliment. :-)
Most violence is in the form threat. But to work it has to be credible. Pointing an unloaded gun someone will not have the same affect as the loaded one, to say nothing of putting a warning hole in the ceiling.
If you think your society needs a civil war you begin with a credible threat. Of course, the left cannot mount a credible threat. Their adversaries will have all the guns, all the expertise in combat, all the food (farmers and truckers), and all the intellectual firepower required to scare them back to their media caves.
a long article that could be summarized by the picture of an ostrich with its head in the sand.
They just raided a former President's house. (unarmed) J6 protesters are still in jail, FBI is treating parents at school board meetings as domestic terrorists. Crime against whites are increasing and lawfare against whites that defend themselves are increasing.
The civil war will be govt vs white middle class, aka: The Historic American Nation. Immigrants and assorted "protected minorities" will side with govt.
You said: "The present-day GDP per capita of the United States is $65,000. Now that we are twice as rich as we were in the seventies, what form will civil unrest take?"
I say: This is deceptive reasoning. The rate of inflation eats away at savings and rising costs (due to running the dollar printing presses 24x7) makes $65,000 worth much less than it sounds. This entire article has not addressed the extreme hollowing out of the American economy. We have a government that allowed and encouraged companies to offshore putting Americans out of work. The cry to raise the minimum wage is there because there are very few opportunities outside of service jobs. Look at the homelessness stats in this country. Finally we had TARP and COVID bailouts to the wealthy few and peanuts to the rest of us. The huge infusion of money into the system to prevent banks from failing (they are too big to fail) and no one goes to jail for fraud. So many signs of corruption and economic decay around us and yet this article does not seem to place its importance.
The Real McCoy wrote this article in the end of August 2021. Look how much has changed since then. With inflation, federal government lawlessness, a recession and many other events (war in Ukraine, rumors of war in Taiwan to name a few). At the end of August 2021 the US had just surrendered in Afganistan, peanuts to where we are as a nation in August 2022. We could refer to 2021 as the 'good old days.'
What happens when there are real food shortages or hyper-inflation? Both which are soon coming. While this is a good article, and correct as long as people can eat and play video games or tik-tok or watch their favorite zombie show. Things will be much different if there is no food or electricity.
You discuss American, French, Irish and Bolshevik revolutions but almost ignore the most important analogy by far: US Civil War (when food was plentiful). The so-called "Second Civil War" can even be looked at as simply "Round 2". Of course there are major differences. It's not The South anymore but roughly The Middle: flyover country. The racial situation has radically changed. But the two adversaries are still essentially "State's Rights, democracy, life, honesty and honor" vs. "Federal regime, tyranny, death, lies and money".
The problem with your article is that is assumes America will remain a "First World" nation. I do not believe that to be the case in the next 10 years. Once more people are hungry and poor, the time will be ripe for a revolution.
The problem with your argument - as I see it - is that it only takes a couple of hotheads on either side to start things. Then the sheep in the middle are forced to pick sides - or stay out of it while the hot heads have their war.
Totally wrong. Only 3% popular support is need for a civil war to commence.
I bet you were also going around a few years ago scoffing at a Trump presidency. The first revolution here was a handful (few dozen) colonists who were pissed at being overly governed, and having their weapons taken. They went up against the best the British could muster, and still won. Now we have a situation where:
About half the population feels disenfranchised, ignored, and belittled. They just watched a president they strongly supported lose an election under questionable circumstances. I'm 62 years old, and I've never see an election as third world as that was. Since then they've learned that this so-called Russian collusion was nothing but enemy opposition research that a corrupt FBI ran with. In fact, just about everything Trump said has been found to be true. And people know this. Spend some time on social media outside your bubble. The search of the Trump home better bring forth a gun so smoking hot it's still glowing, otherwise all that did was galvanize his supporters even further, and ADD to the number of people who believe he's the only way out of this.
So now we have at least half, probably more now that we're in a recession, of the population who is fed up, and they know it. And guess what?
That half the population controls:
Virtually all of the land mass that feeds people
At least 80 percent of the firearms in private hands.
They also
Are the ones who do the actual work that keeps this country running. And by and large are ALSO the ones who comprise much of the US military and virtually every rural law enforcement agence in this country.
See, Jan 6 was not an insurrection. Nobody showed up armed, nobody tried to "take over" anything. They were idiots led down a garden path who did something incredibly stupid. Yet the left insists on calling it that. Rest assured, it wasn't. I know these people, I grew up with them. I don't align with a lot of their beliefs, but some of what they believe is true, and they believe all of it. Right now they're hoping that the ballot box will provide the critical reset that we need in order to "fix this mess".
If that doesn't happen, I suspect a lot of folks who this country depends on may decide it's time to take a month off. That's all it would take. And most of them could definitely take that month off. They have enough food put back, and enough resources to do it.
Machiavelli highlighted two things that could move a people to revolt: memories of once being free (this is why the Greek cities resisted the Romans, resulting in the Romans destroying many former city-states) and a violation of men's honor (namely, molesting their women).
I see the sense in a lot of what the writer wrote, but Machiavelli is a legend for a reason.
One possible scenario that could invalidate your article. Over 2 million illegals have been allowed to enter the country since January '20. Many would be terrorists were apprehended before entry into our country. The number of terrorists who entered and are now entrenched in this country is possibly in the thousands. Will only take one catalyst with a major city being destroyed to disprove the principle thesis of your article.
Another trigger could be uncontrolled illegal immigration. Americans aren't going to pay for freeloaders while they themselves suffer.
It doesn't take that big of a percentage of the population to wage a civil war/revolution. I'm sure you've heard that only 3% of colonists fought in the American Revolution. Roughly 1/3 of the population supported them, 1/3 were loyal to the crown, and 1/3 were neutral. Nor were these people poor or starving as a rule (by the standards of the time).
3% of the population today is about 10 million people. They could raise quite a ruckus if they wanted to.
But I think you're right about pretty much everything else. The population that I just witnessed mask up and lock down the moment they were ordered to doesn't look especially rebellious to me.
Good observation re: civil wars are fought online now. I've thought of that one before. It consumes our energy that might otherwise be expended in the real world. Kind of like I'm doing right this second.
Either there will be some kind of economic collapse that will create conditions more ripe for revolt, or there won't be. I have my doubts the country would hold together through another Great Depression as severe as the last one.
Just going through your stuff now, good read!
Generally I agree and have said same online, in fact mocking the lock-and-loaders mercilessly.
It’s this paragraph where we diverge…
“Ergo, I do not believe that the current political fault lines of the USA will ever be resolved, through either violence because it’s unlikely, or through the political process, since neither side is going away anytime soon. Even as far into the future as 2100, political factions resembling today’s Republicans and Democrats could be yelling about very similar culture war issues.”
Absolutes are always (unironically) risky to claim.
So many factors could change the state of affairs very quickly.
One example is the massive influx of immigrants, both legal (which I generally support) and illegal (um, no I don’t have New School delusions of the endless charity open borders).
Immigrants are young. They have the power to change things—or to be used to particular ends—for net good or ill. TBD.
Assuming stasis in our quality of living greatly ignores the current accelerating brakeless economic decline we are in right now. And further ignores the cartoonish villains wielding power to effect it, rather blatantly.
The variables are myriad, including trends that occur among more geographically centered culture-sharing groups, such as red staters beginning to have more and more children, despite their financial situation. Conversely, blue staters tend toward population decline, unless supplemented by immigrants who tend toward larger families.
Choices in a post-Covid world, changes in spite of it, are giving people more options and agency that the government is working tirelessly to remove. Eventually that won’t be tolerated forever.
The military and our foreign policy are both rapidly transforming into something irrational and unrecognizable as having protection of the nation as top priority. The types of changes that come with that, foreign and domestic, more than induce harrumphing at over a pint at the VFW I would guess.
And then there’s the CCP. Rather a wild card. But seriously worth researching in terms of how deep and wide their inroads are in our country—along with 250 others—despite their woes at home. Where their influence becomes a true and obvious threat to our sovereignty, no amount of Instagram will soothe is all I’m saying.
Too long I know, but your article got me a thinkin’…so consider this otherwise TLDR reply a compliment. :-)
Most violence is in the form threat. But to work it has to be credible. Pointing an unloaded gun someone will not have the same affect as the loaded one, to say nothing of putting a warning hole in the ceiling.
If you think your society needs a civil war you begin with a credible threat. Of course, the left cannot mount a credible threat. Their adversaries will have all the guns, all the expertise in combat, all the food (farmers and truckers), and all the intellectual firepower required to scare them back to their media caves.